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Manuel

I will have to grasp to the idea that this movie/story is a representation of the Sheriff's dreams. The different points in the story when things pop up and disappear just as quickly are common to my dream occurrences. I felt detached several times during the story which also fits the dream theory. I was surprised during the first use of the pressure weapon. After this priming the following random acts felt contrived. I can't recommend it to friends because I don't know anyone that likes these unconventional movies, although as pointed out earlier it was portrayed as a conventional movie in the trailers.

I enjoyed the acting and find no flaws in the performances. Also the sound effects were well done. I would have to give it an award for best sound effects.

Harry MacD

Christian - I also thank you for this discussion. After seeing the movie I checked a number of reviews, but they were mostly shallow until I found this page. Then I found a review of the book (which I've not read), and several others by McCarthy, from the New Yorker, and that also helped considerably. Interestingly, the review says that in the book Moss' wife in fact calls the coin toss rather than refusing as she did in the movie. Additionally, in the book, Chigurh expounds directly and at length on how he represents and embodies fate, a point made much more elliptically in the movie.

Best regards,

Eric S.

Wow... some of these theories are pretty off the wall. I guess that is one of the reasons this movie is so good... lots of ways to be interpreted.

To me, this is far more than just a tale about good and evil or the struggle between free will and fate. The main undertones that I saw in the film (which I have now seen twice) are religion, law, and the unpredictability of human nature.

Throughout the whole film, one can see many religious connotations but the most prominent example is at the end when he is talking to the man in the wheelchair (who might represent the law of the past). In their discussion the man makes Bell realize that even though humanity seems "less moral" (with bones through their nose and green hair) humans have always been a brutal and violent species. Though these seem like red flags in coming of the "dismal tide", the true personification of pure evil dresses conservatively with a button up shirt and slacks, and is very quiet and arguably polite (for a psychotic killer).

While he is still talking to the man in the wheelchair he says (paraphrased) "I always thought that when I was older God would come into my life. Ahh hell, I don't blame him if I were him I wouldn't want me either." This supposes that he still believes in God (or at least wants to) since he is still referring to God as a "him". This statement is further expounded upon by the second dream.

In the dreams he tells his wife, his father (who was also a sheriff) is in both. In the first one he young and went in to town. He met his father and his father gave him some money but he lost it. To me this represents him taking over his father's position as sheriff but feeling completely helpless in this cold world of unpredictability.

The second dream could represent many things but to me it represents one of two. In his second dream he states that it was "old times" and that he was riding horseback on a snow covered mountain. His father passes him on horseback with his face completely covered by a hood or shawl. He is carrying a horn with fire in it. The sheriff says the he knew in his dream that his father had gone ahead and prepared a warm place for him in all of this cold (AND IF THE SYMBOLISM HASN'T HIT YOU IN THE HEAD WITH A TON OF BRICKS YET THEN THIS MOVIE PROBABLY IS NOT FOR YOU). "And the I woke up" (which is the last line of the film).

This second dream carries the most heavy handed symbolism. As to what it represents-- that can be debated. To me it is either religious (his "father" went before him and prepared a warm place in all of this cold, which the warm place could either represent heaven, the afterlife, or the promise of comfort in finding God.) When he "wakes up" he is still human and in this "cold" world without God (very agnostic).

My other interpretation is that it represents the changing face of law, and the fact that even in retirement (or his "warm place" that he seems to have settled in (quite unsettled actually)) that when he "wakes up" to reality there is still a lot of "cold" in this world to deal with.

So after writing my thoughts down, I have also realized that to me the main theme of the movie is that human nature has ALWAYS been this way (as demonstrated in the story about the sheriff and the Indians).

Like Llewelyn's wife said and Tommy Lee Jones' character said in a story (in so many words)-- killers are going to kill because of their mentality. Regardless of the situation, if a human being is set on killing he or she can and will eventually... this is a COLD cruel world and we are not the first to deal with it and certainly won't be the last. The Cohen brothers managed to sum up life in a film. Pretty damn impressive.

Joe D.

All of the above listed interpretations are most informative; this seems to be a thinking person’s movie.
While reading all of the above posted reviews, I found something that really hit close to home and has me pondering my own future.

Christian Cantrell wrote “Retirement is a time to literally remove yourself from the game (fate) in order to find inner peace before death”.
It was then that I realized that I am only three years away from retirement and I too share the some profession as Tom Bell.

I am planning to watch No Country for Old Men again, this time with a new insight.

Raising Arizona

A brilliant movie! I loved how it kept you guessing all the way to the end (and then some). Now I want to read the book. It's definitely not for someone looking to watch a cookie cutter Hollywood movie but then again if you walk into a Coen Brothers movie, you should already know that. My only gripe was the filming of the car accident near the end. For such an unpredictable movie, I saw that crash coming a couple blocks away :P

Chris Pappas

Great site,great comments,(most), ...hope my side of the elephant is of some use.The material universe may indeed be a an empty meaningless abyss but our experiance of it is not by necessity.We are presented with a trinity of extreams ;Lewellyn,Chigur and the sherriff.The sheriff represented a 'lineage' of piece officers administering the law."If you ask me ,things started goin wrong when kids stopped sayen yes sir and no sir."He respected the law as the end result of paternalistic decisions meant to govern human relatedness.He had 'faith' in a well meaning athority.Lewellyn as a 'Nam vet',(2 tours), regardless of your political persuasion could safely be regarded as symbolic of those betrayed by authority.Fundamental human decency struggling to servive on his own.Chigur on the other hand is niether related nor decent.Thus the creepy hair cut.An androgenous adolesant boys hair cut splayed over that dead eyed bear of a face.Makes him look like some alien preditor wearing a human suit.You know, they can never get the look right and keep forgetting to blink and they laugh at all the wrong times.So that's our range with relatedness at one end and alienation at the other.And alien he was.He seemed to regard people as if they were other species,(and decidedly lower),exemplified by the cattle gun used to dispatch many of them. The prop worked both practically for the killer,(left little trace), and metaphorically for the authors.What feeling he demonstrated for people was one of bemused contempt.This was never clearer than in the mildly incredulous snicker he'd give the pleas of imminent victims who'd say ;"you don't have to do this ..".You see the joke,(for him ), of course,people are so predictable,they never 'get' him or accept the obvious.People look for logical wiggle room in the face of instrumental evil.Instumental evil are bad deeds employed to accomplish some end.Ya only do what you 'have' to do."Hey you can have the money","Hey I won't tell".What they couldn't accept was that he just wanted to do it.He was human destructiveness just looking for an excuse....When he strangled the young policeman he looked like some goulish little kid masturbating...he liked it.When he demeaned and intimidated the gas station attendant it was because he wanted to.He enjoyed it.After the deluge of psychopathophilia we've been subjected to for the past 15 to 17 years in the wake of Hanibal Lecter, the characterization of Chigur is appreciated fresh air.It is indeed closer to the original idea of Lecter .A remorseless preditor who's ultimate motivations, even if they could be explained ,couldn't be properly said to be 'understood'.It is hard to believe that an individual so debased, so malicious could linger much longer but whatever Chigur's ultimate fate , his is an unfortunately recuring theme in humanity and hardly one that could be envied by any one.I could spend a lot of time meditating on the nature of this thing but the truth is he makes me sick and he can be summed up better by simply recognizing what he isn't, and that is the 'related' human being.We assume roles relative to other people in our lives and these roles more or less accumulate in an identity.The normal human even has a relationship with himself where attempts to identify his true motive and negotiate between that and his role.This is what made Lewellen and the Sheriff vulnerable ,their humanity.It's possible the drug dealers would have found Lewellen with the transponder, but his real problems started because he couldn't get to sleep with that guy suffering to death out in the desert.He knew it was stupid and boy howdy I guess a Viet Nam sniper with 2 mean tours under his belt knows a mortal wound when he sees one but his human decency haunted him.And that is the state of most of us humans...Ambivalent.Decisions are not as easy as the flip of a coin or the number of rings.Feeling complicates everything but it's the true composition of the actual universe we all navigate through.As a post script I'd like to speculate on the hair cut again if you'd bear with me.It apparently wasn't part of the original story but came from a picture Thommy Lee showed the Coen's.Do you suppose it was another stab at the consequences of the betrayal by authority?An adult residue of brutalized adolescents?

Chris

Theory that the Sheriff is in on the whole thing with Anton. Just a thought but there are a lot of scenes that make me suspicious. I'll try to remember all of them....
1/ The sheriff and his dipshit sidekick ride up on the shootout scene. We know his sidekick is dumb which would be perfect as he would'nt suspect anything. While there, they spoke about whether or not the transaction was for money and it was pretty obvious the sheriff knew there was money involved.
2/ The bodies in the bed of the truck that the sheriff pulled the driver over for. Probably means nothing as the guys was just cleaning up but made me suspicious. Why include that scene?
3/ The sheriff goes back to the scene of the crime where Louellen was shot. He goes back and looks nowhere but the empty air conditioning space. Did he know that's where the loot was and did he go back to collect?
4/ Why is the sheriff so interested in finding Louellen? He keeps saying its to protect him but he knows Louellen has the money. He even goes into other counties trying to find him.
5/ In the diner when he brings up the device used to kill cattle to Louellen's wife. We never see how he comes to know of this, in fact he acts puzzled when his partner describes a mysterious death involving a hole in the head with no bullet.
6/ The final scene where the sheriff (suddenly retired), was describing his dreams. I think they both involved his dad, the first one was his dad owed or had a lot of money for him which he got screwed on and never received. The second was something that involved his dad and he meeting up at a later time. I don't remember the second one too well as I was trying to piece all this together but I took Anton to be his dad in his dream.
I don't think these are all of them but it just seems like there are too many questions involving the sheriff. Not sure why Anton didn't kill the sheriff in the hotel. Maybe since he already had the money why risk it by killing a sheriff, just let him go away. One interesting thing also was the similarity between the 2 coin flip scenes. The store owner who "married into" ownership of the house, store, land and Louellen's wife who would have inherited the money, both by chance. Anton asks them both to pick heads or tails, no one else. Any thoughts?

Lynn S.

Great movie! We are wondering, however, whether the ending was left open for a sequel?

Chris Pappas

I'd like to address a couple more aspects that seem to have sparked some rather 'wild' speculation.The dreams of the sherriff in the final scenes represented the mournful lament of a tired old man who had lost his faith in himself or the credo that had underscored the major part of his identity thus far.He "woke up" to the fact that there wasn't going to be any 'light at the end of the trail' where the faithful and loved could together bask in the glow of the justice they'd wrought.That an old man should wearily have to face the futility of a life time of efforts might seem bleak...why then is the scene strangely uplifting?There were 2 people in the scene ;the sheriff and his wife.It was perfectly obvious that regardless of what came out of his mouth she had nothing but love for and faith in him ..in his company she was completely confident.The loss this caracter faced in the loss of the dream was a final 'vanity' falling away.Youthfull and well meant to be sure but a vanity.All that remained were the loving bonds we've formed.How else could that craigy face of Tommy Lee look so beutiful in the final sequence.The Coen's had masterly managed to do that with us and this old man too.Your heart goes out to him like a beloved old dog you know your gonna loose.That's why this Chigurh seemed so wretched and pathetic.He was truly a man for himself alone and in that he was like the astronaught in 2001 cut loose and cast adrift in an empty abys.And if I could briefly respond to one bloggers interpretation of Chigurhs 'Code' of honor.BULLSHIT!The only reason the fat lady in the trailer park was left alive was because there was somebody in the bathroom,(the toilet flushed just as he seemed to incline in her direction), and he decided it wasn't worth it.He didn't kill any body because they were 'bad'...what the hell did he care.He simply opporated on impulse and what ever the odds dictated most advantageous(and pleasurable), to him at the moment.His feeling for a 'code' was summed up in his question to Carson wells"if the rule you've lived by brought you to this, what good was the rule?".Basicly he was still a human being and he still needed an identity.Nature abhors a vacuum and the usual means of identity are not available to him.Fate became an identity...random chance an order,and his relation to this was deffinately some kind of angel of death but this was just his version of vanity.I think he was left unsatisfied by Lewellen's end.He wanted to do it,( and let me take this opporatunity to asure any of you who missed it ,Cigurh deffinately recovered the money),.He killed Lewellens wife cause he didn't get 'satisfaction with Lewellen.When she made him face it he left feeling a little naked...He'd gone off the reservation and was on uncharted ground.As for why he 'spared the sheriff when he was in the same room; he wasn't in the same room .He was in the next room 'WITH THE MONEY!'.I'll admit the Coen's made this scene delliberately ambiguous ,(almost to the point of silly supernaturalness),.Chigurh only moved on unsuspecting or completly vulnerable prey and the sheriffs behavior put him on edge .The sheriff could scence his presence and he could scence the sheriffs scence and it unnerved him.It's almost corney to to say but the movie was about ,on the one hand,not all evil really having a why.Some evil is for it's own sake and the sheriff had to finaly see it for what it was...a perennal.

Chris Pappas

The word I was trying to type at the end of the last comment was PERENNIAL!

Peter McDowell

I believe the Cohens' art invites "off the wall" interpretation. The viewer can express an individual reaction. My own (from an Australian) perspective is that the movie is about the USA's loss of moral leadership in world affairs. When LBJ's misreading of Vietnam was spun into a falsely heroic tale the USA had become vulnerable to the immoral excesses of Abu Graib. The sherriff records that it started going wrong when people stopped saying "Sir" and "Ma'am". Simple respect for fellow human beings. Some of the old sherriff's didn't even feel the need to carry guns. What replaced that system of social cohesion? Being a Vietnam Vet - especially two terms - earns respect. But as the hitman says "If your method has got you to this point, how good is your method?" I read the film as an injunction to Americans to ask themselves that question. If you are seen by the rest of the world as failing in moral leadership, and have rising fears for your safety in your cities and homes, isn't it time for a new approach based on respect rather than power?

Todd

I find a lot of your comments truly fascinating. However, if I may, I would like to ground the discussion to a more concrete level. I really liked this movie. And yet, I couldn't get over the one thing that bugged me about it. And that was about the money, the suitcase it came in, and the transponder.

Wouldn't any 'real' person, once they have the suitcase full of money, in some personal space where they feel safe and alone in, be it in your vehicle, or more than likely, at your home, dump the money out, check it out, count it, and then transfer it to some other suitcase, backpack, or bag of some kind - and thus removing the transponer from the equation?

Don't get me wrong, as said, I liked the movie a lot. But I just thought this flaw in the movie was inexcusable. It just seemed a convenient cheap oversight. How about you? I mean, aren't people paid decent money in the production of a movie such as this to ensure that such mistakes like this aren't made? Cheers!

Sid J.

I think Sheriff Bell was killed when he entered the motel room with the blown out lock. That was his blood he was looking at on the carpet. The car headlights cast a halo of light around him as background light did as he looked at his reflection in the TV at an earlier time, as it did with Chigurh, as if they were already ghosts. Everything we witnessed after that had to do with the Sheriff getting new information that was not available to him while alive. His father had gone ahead to light the way for him, but he resists. Death is not a place for an old man, or is it? He tells us this in the opening lines.

chris

great story and I love these comments. I am looking at it in a completly different way now. I would love to hear others opinions as to why woody harilson's character was added. Is there any significance or was it only a cameo appearence??? I like the fate thing, nothings for certain,I sure didn't see woody dieing so fast but really his character brought nothing new to the story. maybe im wrong.
O yeah I loved that the movie wasn't a hollywood cookie cutter though it resembled a good clint eastwood movie at times. Also the plot structure seemed uncoventional. or atleast not so obvious. great.

Chris Pappas

I like the Coen's use of metaphore.They made Lewellen a 'welder'...in other words; one capable of forming strong bonds..of his own.

Chris C.

I loved the movie all the way through! But then the end left me empty. It has taken a couple days to soak it all in. I think the biggest moral of the story (though there are many in this film) deals with taking what's not yours. Examples: Leweylln taking the money. Anton stealing from the drug store. Anton stealing lives all over the place, Anton stealing cars, etc, etc, but ultimately, the sheriff has his confidence, peace, and self-esteem taken from him. He was going to die eventually and he was going to feel pretty empty looking back on his life. I had a very difficult time listening to the content of the dream at the end. I was looking at the window behind him, waiting to Anton to walk past, or a bullet come through the window. I kept watching and watching, then the dream explanation was over and the credits rolled. I was shocked! There was people booing in the theater I was in & I was initally left empty. But thinking about the movie the past couple days, that emptiness was filled with some meaning for me. I think every viewer can fill their own void left by the movie with their own lessons to be learned or morals to be challenged, and direction in life.

Chris Pappas

To (Chris C.); I think the Coen's,( and David Lynch,Stanley Kubrick,Won Kar Wai.. ect ) make films for audiances like you.

JJ

Yeah...Up above someone argued that bringing the water back to the Mexican led to his death...the transponder was still in the case and even if he had found it, they would have tracked him.

Second, I'm wondering why, when Bell returns to the site of Llewelyn's death, does he not look behind the door.
Clearly there was movement reflected from the lock hole. Also he notices the air duct grating off and does not thoroughly search the place?

What's the deal?

Austin

Props to Harry and Christian. Best comments

Frank Sando

When Sheriff Bell walked into the hotel room, I thought "He is in on the entire thing." He never cared to solve the crime and why would he enter seeing the lock blown open? I also think Todd's post on January 13th is a possiblity. It makes a lot of sense that maybe Sherrif Bell was killed in that scene. I say either he was in on it or he was killed.

Joe

I agree with a lot of the interpretations above...but regarding the motel scence i offer 2 other interpretations that i have yet to read...

1. It is possible that Sheriff Bell knew Chigurh was behind the door; however he was too scared to do anything about it. This is yet another reason why he decides to quit and feels inadequate etc etc.

2. Chigurh is never there (not even in the room next door). It is clear he is shown to be in the room with blown out lock. However, i feel there is a chance that he is just a figure of Sheriff Bell's imagination. It's possible that Sheriff Bell is hopeful he will be there...and even feels he may be there..to a point where he is certain he can sense him on the other side of the door. Ultimately, he is let down by the fact that he was wrong and has failed his job.

Thoughts?

ps- i am still cluecless as to who got the money.

philskene

Well, after seeing reviews that gave this movie a 5 star rating I just had to go along and see it.

I’m still unsure whether I’d rate it one star or six – or both.

And the meaning? :

1. Certainly, as has been discussed here – fate.

2. But also the Sheriff maybe felt he’d pushed his luck just a little too far in entering the Motel room where the killer could (was hiding). So for him it’s time to move on into retirement – the senseless violence and unpredicability in the new Texas makes it no country for an old man like him.

As an after thought, for those who enjoyed the theme, treatment and setting in this movie, I’d suggest “The Proposition”.

Robert Jewell

WOW! Betcha didn't blink much in that film! And that "ending"! I was one of many who, when the Ending Credits started rolling, sat bolt up-right and incredulously blurted, "Whaaaat the hell just happened there!???" I felt like I'd just been thrown a cold-cut when I'd been led to believe that fillet mignon was coming.

However, something told me that "No Country" absolutely had to be more than just a cheap tease. It contained WAY too much genius. Everything was brilliant: acting, script, scenes, casting! Thus my mind kept me awake that night trying to make some sense of it.

Then it hit me. I think that every single scene, character, and word are very powerful and clever symbols...symbols of the many facets of what has grown to become our country's Great Pandora, drugs.

Some of possible interpretations:

*The Sheriff represents the law who earlier had a problem they could handle -but now sees that it may have grown way beyond what even smart, experienced veterans can deal with;

*Chigurh reps the pure cold-hearted violence that has mercy for NO ONE who's around drugs;

*Llewellyn reps those who don't take drugs...but just want to get in on the money -and believe that they're "much too smart" to get hurt in the process;

*Llewelyn's wife reps all of us who get hurt simply because we love those who are involved;

*The great old character who runs the Gas-Stop reps ordinary citizens who try to refuse to have anything to do with drugs...but it's "only a coin toss" as to whether they will be hurt simply by living on the same planet. (Thus we ALL are affected by this Pandora). And hmmm...was the date of that coin, 1978, the time when the (Pandoric) Organized Crime took over the drug business? Or...?

*The Sheriff wasn't killed by Chigurh because there'll always be those people who dedicate their health and lives to fight drugs;

*Chigur was badly hurt in the crash at the end -but not killed because...

*And the actions of those two boys at the crash scene? Wow!

*Ah, there's SO much more!

Watch it again with this premise in mind, and see if your mind doesn't solve symbols all over the place! Undoubtedly, the Cohens didn't put ANYING in that film that is meaningless. As such, I think that you and your companion(s) may have some very stimulating and moving discussions afterward.

Don't you LOVE films that make you really think about what's happening...instead of just plopping it all on your plate like a big heap of creamed tuna on toast (sh-- on a shingle). I am now a big fan of the Brothers Cohen.

Chris P.

I am quite sure Chigurh got the money.He saw the scratch marks on the base of the air duct and realized why he'd got the wrong room earlier.Also,recall, he paid the young boy at the end with a crisp 100 dollar bill.As far as all this buissness about the sheriff in the room with Chigurh.The scene was so deliberately ambiguous.I mean it was obviously suggested that Chigurh was behind the door but once the sheriff was in the room it was obvious he couldn't be behind the door.I'll have to see it again but the damn thing is turning into a soduko.

no oscars for this film

Chigurh wasn't behind the bloody door! When Bell pushes the door open you can see the door swivel all the way before it hits the wall with a thud! Also in the shot where the door swivels open you can actually see for half a second that the darkness is pretty even in the space where the wall is and that there is NO ONE behind the door.

Further, when Bell sits down on the bed you can see the door again in the background - it is flat against the wall, leaving no space for a grown man to stand behind it. Thus, one interpretation could be that Chigurh is in the *next* room, just as Llewellyn was in another room when Chigurh first tracked him down in a motel.

When Bell checks the bathroom, the camera zooms in on the window latch - I can't tell the significance of this because I can't tell if the latch was shut or open. If it was open, it leaves open the possibility that Chigurh escaped through the window (assuming he was there in the first place). If shut, it means Chigurh was never there at the same time as the sheriff because the window can't be latched from the inside.

This ambiguity is what is so annoying about interpreting this film. With films like Memento the ambiguity is fairly structured and you can generally eke a fair bit of 'meaning' from the movie. With Old Men, I'm of the opinion that the plot itself is inherently weak.

All in all, a very unsatisfying movie for me. It's always possible that I am missing something, but I've trawled a lot of movie analysis websites and I haven't come across an explanation that is remotely satisfying. Comments that 'read' the movie as political commentary (like the one from the Australian above) are the worst. The most improbable, hackneyed and cliched interpretations tend to be the ideological ones. I'd like to think that the Coen brothers are more philosophical auteurs than masters of agitprop. Besides, I HIGHLY doubt Cormac McCarthy intended any political point.. so such interpretations are as frustrating asthey are offensive to someone trying to glean genuine - and not the political cause du jour - meaning from the film!

So: I would class this as one of the Coen Brothers' weaker movies.. especially in contrast to the other films in the oeuvre: Fargo, Lebowski.. even O Brother Where Art Thou. Unless there's a satisfying interpretation that I can hang my coat on, I'm inclined to think that "No Country" is really an overhype 'arty' vehicle riding on Cormac Mccarthy's literary cachet rather than a solid film. In a year of exceedingly weak Hollywood offerings, I would submit that this is probably the case.

PS. Pappas, your lack of paragraphing stopped me reading beyond the third line. Really. If you expect people to read your insights.. paragraphs help.

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