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BornRight

Really great write up. I agree with most points. However, I think Microsoft is in a big dilemma here. Tablets are rapidly gaining traction while Windows PC sales are falling. Keeping Windows largely unchanged or making a few improvements on the Desktop (as they have done so far with every new version) is not going to reverse that trend. Microsoft has to rise to the occasion and do something different. If they bring Metro just to Tablets, like you are suggesting, and leave the Desktop intact on PCs, Windows Tablets may succeed but Windows PCs will continue to decline. Both Microsoft and Apple realize that the only way to safeguard traditional PCs from the Tablet-juggernaut is to blur the lines between the two. That's why both of them are making their desktop clients more & more tablet-like.

Scooterch

Agreed in many parts, though you do guess a lot about Microsoft's intentions. I also have a different take on the two options.

I agree that Metro is fab for tablets and the overall design ethos is a welcome whiff of fresh air. I hope users without a mouse or keyboard never have to see a desktop or traditional application interface. It will fail if tablet users are shown a traditional Excel window.

On a desktop or laptop, I think there is scope for the Metro tiles. I now see that as an alternative to the task bar: a (messy), full-screen location for all my frequently used items, including control panel, admin tools etc. It is far from perfect and hope they improve it. Ironically, there is too much chrome - too much wasted space.

My other gripe is having too many blind alleys that I cannot easily back out of. It is early days, but I cannot find an intuitive way to quit many apps and that is distracting.

GeorgeS

"I believe there's room for a third player"

There already is: RIM/Blackberry, which has several times the share of Windows phones.

StuB Edgar

Thanks for such a great write-up. I agree completely about new UI on desktop. I have tried some new Linux UIs (Unity, Gnome Shell) and hate them. I don't see why I have to give back my task bar after 17 years.
I don't want to start the OS wars here on this blog.... but I don't understand what universe some of the Mac fanboys in the comments above are living on. Windows is still the power user OS and will continue to be so. This is for engineering etc but also in the consumer market for games.
My 10 year old kid requires a $150 graphics card to play Battlefield 3 and a fast CPU and 6GB of RAM to play his favourite games while talking with his buddies on Skype and administering his java based minecraft server running in ~1GB of RAM at the same time. And I don't think he is unusual.

Mike Diack

Totally agree with what you say.

Allen Pestaluky

Agreed. I'm scared to death that I might loose my "desktop app" version of Windows Live Mail to the new "metro app" version. The metro app can't exist as a window along side all the rest of my windows that I need access to all at once.

Sanjay

My kids like the cute little Apple icons on their desktops and iphones. Unfortunately, we require fast stable machines for software development.

This rules out OS X. Windows 7 with 24GB of Ram, sata III ssd's, quad cores. Half the price of Macs, 4X the performance and stability. 30 employees, not 1 mac.

So much software doesn't run on a Mac, and Mac users typical solution is to run another computer (windows) in parallels. You might better just use windows 7 in the first place.

It's too bad Apple users don't realize their design programs work better on Windows. We know, because we use them. Don't forget about Dell 27 inch monitors with 2440 X resolution. Absolutely gorgeous display for high end animation and video we do.

I appreciate your opinion on Windows 8, but it's funny how two people supposedly in the same business can have such different opinions regarding Mac OSX.

2012 is the year of Microsoft. Everybody in my software development world is using windows, and many mac users I know are dumping the mac laptops for windows laptops. My laptop has 12 GB of RAM, SSD, thin as mac air, and cool as ice on the lap.

Ben

@Sanjay: I'm interested in the work that you do. The specs that you mention lead me to believe that your business is centered around post-production video or CG/motion capture. 24GB of RAM, by any measure, is an impressive amount for a single, non-server, machine.

Seems to me that anyone who legitimately needed that level of hardware to do their job would be working on very specialized systems -- ones that are customized well beyond anything you can buy off the shelf, be it a Windows 7 or OSX box. Therefore it's probably not the most straight-forward of comparisons to say that "all" developers are moving from one to the other. Your industry may be best suited to stay on PCs, but from what I'm seeing a bit closer to the middle (web application design/development), there are equal numbers of PCs as Macs, with OSX adoption rates increasing faster than I would have expected a few years ago (most of our developers have access to both, but of those, a good deal work on their Macs and test against their PCs).

I've sat through a number of MS briefings on Windows 8, and the thing that has struck me as odd (as it did with the same vendor sessions we did with MS while they were road-showing Windows Phone 7), was that all of the messaging was geared towards how Windows 8 addressed the consumer market needs. That in itself was not the strange part, it's that the evangelists presenting knew they were talking to a group of people who's business is enterprise software. We want to know how all of these Metro-UI changes will affect our current customers and our development workflow.

I'm still waiting for a compelling story about how the ability to BUILD software will be better because of the new OS. So far, it's all about consumption, rather than creation.

Stefan

They must drop Metro completely on desktop computers. It is pure BS in my opinion. I have used Windows since NT4. Windows 8 is a big huge joke. I can see some good things in it to, but not if Metro is forced on to us who need to work fast and effectively on a computer. Being thrown between Metro and desktop over and over is not what i can say is making my work faster.... No, Windows 8 is pure BS !

Viktor Benei

My list - what I would change:
- Allow Metro apps to run in windowed mode (similar to Mac Lion’s fullscreen on/off)
- Allow installation of Metro apps from other sources than the Windows 8 Store – I would like to be able to get Metro apps from AppWhirr as well. Without this the whole ecosystem will lost a lot of it's flexibility.

Bullit

This reminds me of HP. They wanted to ditch the PC's. Microsoft seems to want to do the same.
PC is not fashion.

Adam Smith

Congratulations on one of the most accurate reviews of Windows 8 to date. You have many valid criticisms, most other Windows 8 reviews dont comment on
1)Everyday computer use including for example, using Word and Excel and a photo editing program and a media player, and how smooth multitasking actually is on a desktop
2)How Windows 8 has no real productivity advantages from Windows 7
I lament when I read passive reviews which are no more than marketing pieces for Microsoft. My prediction that Windows 8 is a dog

Patrick

I can see some of the points, however I disagree with the general thought that Microsoft is making a mistake with their current strategy.

Yes, the legacy desktop somewhat has moved slightly to the background, however as a Desktop user I have no issues using 90% Desktop, 5% Metro Start and 5% Metro Apps at this time.

Clearly desktop is still my primary usage, the Metro start allows for easy starting apps like the old win7 start menu, simply by starting to type the application you are looking for, or otherwise have your tiles grouped, and browse them.

Next to that we have the Super TaskBar where we can Pin applications on, and access JumpLists.

Most of the main entries available in Win7's start menu is available from Windows Explorer.
The quick access menu available when right clicking with mouse in the far left down corner is also rather useful.

So, personally, I do not see the problem of having Metro start on the desktop, I can still do everything I did before at the same or even greater speed.
If metro brings great apps, I can choose to use them, if not, then I can keep using desktop apps like always.
Win-Win.

Next to Metro, there are a great many other things improved in Win8 (some significantly), from boot/shutdown times, to general performance and so forth.

I am very excited about Win8, regardless of Metro on the desktop!

Armand B

I really don't understand the fuss that people have with Windows 8. I think majority of the people who have issues with it has either:

1) Haven't even tried it out yet themselves and are just looking at pictures/videos and reading other peoples comments

2) Haven't tried it for least a couple of days to actually try to learn it and personalize it. What do you expect, it’s a step in a complete new OS direction so it will take a couple times of use to get used to it and I am sure Microsoft will be updating things here and there to make it better later on before the official product release...I dare you to try to hop on an OS X and see how more frustrated you will get with it even though it’s a more "intuitive" OS. (I'm not an Apple hater by any means, I use Apple computers too but from my experience I believe the “learning curve” periods for MS Windows OS are much shorter than Apple OS X.

3) Use a laptop but don't use a wireless mouse for it. Call me crazy but the first thing I got after buying my laptop more than four years was a wireless Logitech mouse and have a setting set for when its plugged in the touchpad is disabled! (The reason why I hate the touchpad for laptops is because when I try to type something in Word, I will be typing and all of a sudden I will be typing back in the middle of the paragraph because my hand apparently tapped it. CTRL-Z!!!)

Now, I will admit that when I first installed the Windows 8 Consumer Preview a couple weeks ago, I was upset with the new experience (this is where I believe majority of people call it quits)...it was weird not having a Start button on the desktop and annoying having to move your mouse here and there and to that corner to get to options and other features. But, after several times of use I actually got familiarized with it! I adopted to without having a start button by pinning the apps that I use the most to my taskbar (Control Panel, Microsoft Office Apps, Windows Live Messenger, Steam, IE/Firefox/Chrome) and only have two shortcuts on the desktop (one of which is the recycling bin). For people, including myself, who don’t like the transition between the Metro start screen to the desktop to run a non-Metro app; here is a novel idea (hopefully not): remove/unpin all “legacy” (non-Metro) apps from it and just have Metro style apps on the Metro start screen! Ta-da! No more weird transitions!

Like I mentioned earlier, I am running the Win8 CP on my four year 32-bit old laptop which is a Dell XPS M1530. It’s amazing how light Win8 must be code wise because the start up time even on my old laptop is less than 15 seconds (no joke) and Metro runs smooth as well. Minor things I have noticed with Metro that should be fixed before the official release is that the circles with back arrows in them or the big text isn’t as clear as it should be…maybe it’s just my old laptop with my 1280 x 800 resolution. Also I hope that they change where the shut down button is to where you can lock and sign out underneath your account picture on the Metro start screen. When Microsoft and other 3rd party developers release more Metro style apps like MS Office Suite, Windows Live Messenger, STEAM (if you are a gamer and know what STEAM is, it already looks like a Metro app if you look at it closely), etc; there will be no need for the desktop…

Call me crazy again but I think Windows 8 is a step towards the Windows Productivity Future Vision user interface on the phones, tablets, and desktops as shown in the videos! Here is a link if you haven’t seen those videos yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6cNdhOKwi0&feature=BFa&list=PL2B8C6AB94E8259C6&lf=plcp

Although I am a senior in the top 4% of my ocean engineering class, I believe I have a well developed right side brain too and use it just as much as my left side. To me, there is something aesthetically pleasing to the UI in those videos and the Metro style start screen and Metro style applications and what it is…is its simplicity and cleanliness.

Overall, give Win8 more than a first try chance and give it the time to get used to it, learn how to use it, and to personalize it (which is only a couple of days max if you use your computer frequently). From this you will be more productive with it if not more than with Windows XP or 7 and see it as a one step in the right direction to a new OS!

Joh Smith

Having used windows based operating systems for over 15 years now, with Windows 7 being the complete product I was looking for (15 years ago). I am assuming, I should give Microsoft around 15 more years to get it right again, but by then I will have probably switched over to something else.
I’ve tried to give this new version of Windows, Microsoft Windows 8 Consumer Preview a try, and I believe it fails on the most vital aspect, for the mere fact, that it doesn’t deliver.
Now please don’t go around telling people it’s a Beta, we don’t care. If Microsoft cannot deliver something worthy enough, that respects its loyal customers for over 15 years to preview and get excited about and say “Hey, this is almost perfect, this is what I always wanted” (and I’m not the only one that knows they failed there, clearly), they shouldn’t have released it. Wait it out and send us your Beta when it’s ready.
Having said that here’s where the OS fails…
1. One size DOES NOT fit all. You cannot expect everyone to drive a red car. Nor can you expect any type of customization on the personal user level when you separate two Parent units on a single entity. Meaning the Metro UI cannot, should not, and frankly DARE NOT be separate of the desktop. The two most work side by side together, (what some have suggested would be a Windows 9 release, well then I’ll wait, or move on to another product) it’s like separating your legs from your body, but then you can’t walk.
2. Hot Air – yay the OS is faster, better for tablets, moving forward, yada yada, this does nothing for me. I’d rather wait a couple of more seconds and get a product that works, rather than a product that is incomplete and lacks union.
3. All in one – NO! I don’t thinks so. You cannot combine the needs of a PC user with a mobile/tablet device user, at least not the way Microsoft has attempted. There must be some kind of separation which allows users to choose how they want their environment to function, be it by separate versions or simple switch (option).
4. Simplify and Stupefy – While simplification might seem the right approach, again this is not for everyone, too simple is babyish and counterproductive, and outright humiliating (in that it says, you windows users, your stupid, so here’s your version, stupid).
Here are some examples:
I like the metro UI, BUT, why can’t I customize it to my needs? I should be able to choose the sizes of each tile, not the system. I should be able to name each group. I should be able to EASILY pin/remove/rename a tile/item. Live tiles should actually work, and be productive with emphasis on what it’s doing (playing a track/receiving an email/notification/news updates etc…).
Snap? Why even bother creating the system, Why can’t I snap to the size of my liking? Why can’t I stack snapped Apps? Why are they taking up my desktop space when snapped? Why Can’t I snap to the top or bottom? Why are the snapped Apps less functional (Meaning, why aren’t there smaller icons/buttons for key functions) Why in the world can’t I snap to my second screen?
Come to think of it, why isn’t the whole Start menu extended to my second (or even third or however many) screen, Also you would think Microsoft could come up with a way that the taskbar and desktop background are properly extended (not duplicated even though you’ve selected extended) to my second screen.
I understand some have mentioned the fact that “Battery Power” is of the main concern that the new UI isn’t integrated with the desktop…are you kidding me? Either make a separate version, or have a switch/control that changes this function (allows them to be extended) or don’t sell it as a desktop version altogether. If Microsoft really went ahead planning a Desktop OS with battery power in mind, then they are real fools, and I should truly reconsider using their OS at all just based on that notion. Why not create a mobile version now (if it’s so urgent for the company), and for the desktop version wait it out, I mean Windows 7 is fine, we can wait.
Not being able to snap the Metro Apps to my second screen, Not being able to choose where on the screen to snap, how big/wide to snap them (custom not forced), Side by Side, Split/Up down (two or three), not being able to use the App to its fullest potential (most key functions are removed) when snapped, kind of takes away from the whole idea, and in my opinion turns it into a failure. Since you have to be running the FULL SCREEN App to do anything with it, requires too much ALT+TAB or program switching, in order for it to be useful in any way (I’d rather have my windows placed where I want them as I do now). All that takes away from the value of the idea, causes clutter, frustration and less functionality. For example, currently I have my instant messaging and email open on one screen, while I do my main work/browsing/editing/authoring on my other screen, this allows me to quickly reply to an IM or email without losing my focus, or having to ALT+TAB like a fool.
Why in the world isn’t there a CLOSE button or icon for the Metro Apps? You have to pick your hands up and find CTRL+F4? (That’s asinine), this causes many apps to be open and stay open, you might as well start the system with all the Apps open, and without the ability to close them.
Settings? I think this is the most overlooked area in this “New” “Better” version, there are no settings, the only settings you get is some babyish like yes/no for minimal things, I cannot seem to get any of the custom settings I have gotten accustomed too.
Email address with a HOTMAIL account a must for Apps to function properly? Is that a joke, or some sick way of Microsoft saying, “Please sue us”?
I could go on and on, and I haven’t even yet started to give the OS enough time, since frankly I have better things to do in my life than get frustrated and have my blood pressure go up, every time I want something to “work”.
I had enough of this “it’s a Beta” talk as well, the direction they have taken by separating the NEW experience with the OLD experience (Metro vs. Desktop) is a big mistake, and it makes it utterly hateful, useless and frustrating. The thing is if they chose only one (being Metro) they know NO ONE would buy it.
Ideally, I could live with the start menu not being there, and the New “Apps” as well as some level of simplification; and come to love them, but not at the expense of functionality and customization. The whole Start Menu would have to be easily customizable as I’ve mentioned, in every aspect. The Apps would have to harmoniously live side by side with the desktop in such a way where they were fully customizable and with their key functions easily and readily available, otherwise they are a waste of time (full screen, you kidding me?). Microsoft would have to drop this “must have your Hotmail account linked” in order for Apps to work. Dual (or more) Screen functionality would be a must for me to even consider the Apps/Desktop experience combination viable (meaning, I could open a Metro App on a second screen, snap it there, use the other screen for more Apps/Desktop and vice versa etc…)
Bottom line, for Windows 8 to work, the Metro Apps would have to be integrated into the desktop, meaning it would be “Windows” not some Full Screen nightmare. Otherwise don’t call it Windows, and frankly don’t even bother, skip it, forget windows 8, integrate the two and just go straight to windows 9 (calling it windows 8 or whatever).
So as far as your question goes, I concept love it (the idea of live tiles, full menu start, simple and neat built in programs/apps), but in actuality I hate it, since I can’t use it in the way an OS is meant to be used. So if these issues (and probably more) are not addressed by the time a final version is release you will see me, and many many others skipping this “Upgrade”.

Steve

Windows 8 is not a complete new OS to learn, its really no different than switching from XP to 7. minor pains of relocating moved icons. The metro is a breathe of fresh air coming from the same old same old we have had since windows 95. This metro is like switching from 3.1 to 95. I played with it briefly and just found myself saying over and over, this is how it should have been.

I agree with bob in that the pc experience will soon be full of "apps" rather than software. Apple too. In doing this, windows will draw attention to app developers that will enhance their mobile and tablet divisions as well. its brilliant and I look forward to it. I expect one day that osx becomes IOS and when it does, will revolutionize the industry.

I hope it happens sooner than later and I think windows knows this. I see them dominating the world in mobile phones as well as PC's and I still dont see Apple catching up.

just noticing that I could play my xbox games on my pc with only a login is amazing. Now add that capability over to the phone and I'm buying windows, xbox, and windows phone. Right now i've decided to switch to ps3 and am an android fan boy. Thats about $500 to microsoft if its done right. Tying these things in together are the future.

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